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posting "punch nazis" on twitter: banned for inciting violence

posting "punch nazis" on mastodon: gaining the respect of the admin

@nathan why would you post that, it is the default position isn’t it? Everyone knows you see a nazi you punch them right?

@nathan If you don't think punching Nazis is a good thing here you're getting banned

@nathan Nope, that kind of thing got me a stern talking to on fosstodon. I was not impressed.

@nathan Yeah, apparently using that word was worse than using it in context.

@jens

You are kidding, right? Fosstodon are surely okay with that meme.

Though since Ukraine battalions are exposed we will admit many of the (#)punchANazi folk immediately sort of went up in a puff of blue and yellow smoke and vanished.

@nathan

@dsfgs @nathan It wasn't the meme, it was in relation to Neonazis being involved in that attempt to storm the Reichstag in 2020.

@jens
We are not familiar but hope much ridicule and network hindering efforts were used to prevent any effective racism and bigotry.

@nathan

@dsfgs @nathan Think of it as Germany's own little insurrection/Capitol storming day, except a bit earlier and far less effective.

@jens
Good to hear it wasn't anything effective.

Tbh we think that whole (#)Jan6 was not about Nazism but a very planned attack on patriotic, democracy-appreciating people. It was about filling prisons, and giving people others to hate.

In the furore following the attack however, #TIMEMagazine did muster up a story on actual full-frontal nazis.

It also neatly distracted the newsCycle from the ruling to keep Assange in a supermax, despite him winning his case against extradition.

@nathan

@dsfgs @nathan It's a bit difficult to distinguish sometimes between alt-right, Neonazis and subversion of democracy when all this pursues the same goal. Also our German event was ostensibly against COVID measures taken, but the planning for the Reichstag storming seems to have originates with the alt right, with a surprising number of outright Neonazis participating. Hard to draw lines in this event.

But the wider point is, if you see people marching...

@dsfgs @nathan ... with you waving Nazi symbols around, maybe the reasonable step to take is not to continue marching.

The worrisome thing is that apparently some folk saw those symbols in "their" march as less concerning than paper masks.

@jens @nathan What tf is fosstodon and why do they think punching Nazis is bad?????

@samwightt @cadxdr @nathan I don't think they think punching Nazis is bad. I think they moderate based on keyword matching, irrespective of context, so mentioning "nazi" is a tad problematic. That's the impression they left at any rate.

@cadxdr @samwightt @jens @nathan yea fosstodon is a bit of a trash fire. I know some really nice people there but overall.... 🙄

@cadxdr @samwightt @jens@social.finkhaeuser.de @nathan the FOSS- and tech-centered instances are almost all worth blocking imo. there are 3 that I haven't blocked: bsd.network which has some absolutely delightful people on it, hackers.town which has some good people but also some not-so-good people, and floss.social which i have no strong feelings about but at the very least haven't had any bad interactions with

@balrogboogie @cadxdr @nathan All of the good folks I know on Twitter seem to be avoiding migrating for some reason :/ Maybe it’s because the tech instances are so bad?

But also I’ve still been able to find some wonderful queer tech people on here

@samwightt @cadxdr @nathan oh yea there's lots of good queer tech people here, in my experience they tend to be found outside the more tech-focused instances tho

@samwightt @balrogboogie @nathan I think mastodon.technology is nice as well, but I haven't interacted that much. not exactly foss per se but mostly software stuff.

There is a vocal "FOSS" subculture here which is mostly white libertarian techbros. They are different from other techie instances which are mostly LGBTQ-friendly and nice, like cybre.space, lgbt.io (tho I think that instance went away?), and cathode.church.

@samwightt > why do they think punching Nazis is bad

Because it's the same rhetoric that Putin uses. Just calling someone a nazi doesn't warrant using violence against them.

@jens @nathan

@paullammers @jens @nathan People are talking about literal Nazis, and folks do not throw around that label wildly. Nazis so in fact deserve to be punched.

@samwightt > folks do not throw around that label wildly

Are you vouching for all of them?

@jens @nathan

@paullammers @samwightt @nathan As I recall (it's a server move and two years ago, after all), I was saying people shouldn't be surprised to get punched if they storm the Reichstag with Neonazis. It wasn't exactly a call for violence, more of a "duck typing" thing.

@nathan ah yes, my admin just boosted a punch nazis toot.

@PorcusDivinus @nathan @paullammers
I was feeling good about going to work today. I'm still ok with it, but I think I'd like to listen to some more Rahman jokes instead! :-)

@nathan You can post actual, see-everything porn, but daren't tell TERFs to die mad.

@Negan @nathan Yeeeep I got banned for 12 hours for saying I hope TERFs get punched. No clue who the dweeb was who reported it.

@nathan At the rate Twitter is going, they'll probably bring garbage like Fuentes and doxxer John Doyle. Mastodon is the future!

@nathan punching nazis is pretty good imo (i am the owner of the instance i am posting on)

@nathan

posting "punch nazis" on mastodon:

oh speaking of nazis, they're planning a May 1st demo in Dortmund, 12:00, Hbf. on unrelated news friends are meeting up 11:30 at Wilhelmstr./Ecke Josephstr. check out aa170 or msaDortmund at noblogs for more info, purely for informational purposes.

(people elsewhere in Germany, III. Weg is planning some stuff nationwide, you can check out what's up with your friendly neighborhood antifascists.)

(also remember that hindering nazi demos is now a crime and nobody on mastodon does any crimes, we're all :goodEnby::goodGirl::goodboy:​ and other legal entities. plus this network, like twitter, does not have end-to-end encryption. you wouldn't download a punch nazis)

oh and for people who want to #RiseUp4Rojava in this moment of *dire* need, someone just informed me there will be another demo on 30.04 12:00 Düsseldorf, also some of the folk will be at the main Dortmund demo on 1.05 16:00, though last I asked it was still unclear if they will march as a bloc. Kurdish demos are going on almost daily, and all over; if you support them it's a great time to get involved, international pressure + awareness makes a difference here.

check out my previous post for news sources on the Kurdish movement
transmom.love/@elilla/10819374

btw the war crimes against the Kurds and Yazidi and their allies (now with more NATO-ISIS collaboration and extra chemical weapons!) are done by NATO to brown people, so supporting them doesn't make you an activist against ethnic genocide, it makes you a potential terrorist. this is the most governamentally persecuted leftist group right now, even including antifa action and ecology struggles. be cautious when interacting with this stuff; tor and end-to-end encryption are your friends, and like the night will embrace and protect you in their darkness.

@nathan I got a 12 hour suspension for a RT of "Scratch a TERF, find a fascist."

@nathan yeah I definitely picked the right instance to join here 😎

@nathan between this and the lol post, I’m pretty sure I’m in the good place.

@nathan /me hoping it's not because the admin is a mazochistic nazi ? 🥴

@nathan By the way, and I mean this in all seriousness, *punch Nazis*. Break their fucking noses. Make them spit out teeth. If you treat other groups of people as subhuman, you get to be treated as subhuman.

@nathan punch nazis as a defense yes. But the main purpose is " kick nazis and nazis groups and organizations out of low. Nazis are such a parastatal tool, especially in west countries as putins assets, that are profiting by the "tolerence " of governments in the west , fir having loyal existence. Nazis must have been kicked out of low. Without the deep putins state illegal financial support and putins collaboratorsinsidethe governments of the west, nazis are chickens and are hiding in right parties . Bourgeoisie will be too frustrated if working class ask such a legal request.
Kick nazis out of low

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