@thegibson that's disappointing. My pitch when I am trying to get people to join is "it's social media, but without the Nazis" so it sucks to have to amend that with "except don't join the most popular instance because it has Nazis and is also defederated from everyone else. Oh, 'defederated'? That's when..."

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@rgegriff @thegibson I recall someone suggesting that we recommend specific instances to people instead of just recommending "the Fediverse". If you give them a decent instance or ten then you can avoid those amendments.

@rgegriff @thegibson "A bunch of friends of mine got together and made a social network that's now got millions of people on it. You're welcome to join one of their servers. Don't worry, the servers talk to each other."

@freakazoid @thegibson that's a good approach! Servers is better I think than "instance" for more people. Or, maybe only for people who played an online game between like 1998 and 2011.

@rgegriff @thegibson And I guess even those whose eyes don't glaze over at "instance" will certainly be lost once you use the term "federated".

@ajroach42 just mentioned the plain language Vint Cerf uses when talking about things. Phrases like "squirt the data up to the orbiter." We should do more of that. Using plain language, I mean.

@freakazoid @rgegriff @thegibson I specifically use the word server, yeah.

Federation isn't too hard to explain once they have a reason to care.

I also recommend specific instances (or just send invites.)

@ajroach42 @freakazoid @rgegriff

This discussion, as always, keeps edging us back to webrings.

@kelbot @thegibson @ajroach42 @rgegriff Or the blog version, the blogroll! Speaking of which, I learned about most BBSes I used from lists on other BBSes.

Gosh, why don't we just normalize the practice of having each instance list a bunch of other instances they're friendly with on their registration page? We could have a "Why sign up here?" section followed by "Or if that's not your cup of tea, try one of these other fine servers...".

@freakazoid @thegibson "social media service provider"? " smead slinger"?

But it's still lamentable that there isn't one, relatively trustworthy provider you can point people to as an entrypoint like with email.

I might just tell someone to get a gmail address to have something; then they can decide if there isn't a better option they are more into. They could even decide to self host if they are a particular type of crazy.

@rgegriff @thegibson I still have "" and will gladly donate it for the purpose of building a human-maintained list of Nazi-free instances.

@thegibson @rgegriff I'd do it myself except that I haven't had the energy/motivation to make progress on much of anything lately, and it seems like making commitments to others makes it even worse. I'd probably need a partner who would say "hey let's jump on a call and bang this thing out".

@ajroach42 @freakazoid @thegibson

I kinda wish there could just be like a four month global holiday when we are finally as safe as we're ever gonna get from this pandemic where everyone just takes some time to sort some shit out.

Global Reset "Day" Oct 1 - Jan 31, year TBD

@rgegriff @ajroach42 @thegibson Heh, for certain types of "sorting out" that could have been the pandemic itself. We could have shut down the whole economy for a few weeks and dramatically cut the number of infections and deaths. Then when everyone was vaccinated we could have a huge party.

@freakazoid @ajroach42 @thegibson Damn, I had repressed that idea, but yep. God forbid we turn the money engine off for a bit.

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